convo with rott, rainers statement english version

[10:25:39] NQRott> urga?
[10:27:19] Urga Urhuga> yes?
[10:27:35] NQRott> in 12h fountain you have to leave
[10:27:44] Urga Urhuga> why?
[10:27:57] NQRott> because you can not be that stupid
[10:28:07] Urga Urhuga> why?
[10:28:19] NQRott> I have read your corpmails and your board posts
[10:29:02] Urga Urhuga> what's wrong with them?
[10:29:36] NQRott> the testimony of distrust, try to deceive the alianz, and abuse other corps for hpu
[10:29:53] NQRott> after all the calls and the ne thing almost 2 weeks since i finshed with this
[10:30:20] Urga Urhuga> well, the distrust is not completely unfounded ... As I see it ....
[10:30:33] Urga Urhuga>, and if cappu proposals threatening to me ....
[10:31:26] NQRott> me cares sutch shit net
[10:31:30] NQRott> me cares about the ally
[10:31:39] NQRott> all your speaking is against ally
[10:31:43] Urga Urhuga>, and then the mail from cappu just in a tone ... Stop whatever u do right now.
[10:31:47] NQRott> this is too much
[10:32:02] NQRott> He has also read your corp-postings properly
[10:32:04] NQRott> 12h
[10:32:12] Urga Urhuga> you, me too. i don't care about cappu threatening me.
[10:32:23] NQRott> doomgoard, kros will also give their ok this decision
[10:32:32] Urga Urhuga> what does syntek say about this?
[10:32:40] NQRott> [10:32:13] priestessofthemoon> after all the help we have all offered its a very dis-respectfull thing that been done. I agree with you that they should be removed from the alliance 12 hours is plenty of time to a few pilots and ship out.
[10:34:34] NQRott> for me, the thing nolonger negotiable
[10:34:41] NQRott> you are ok member can stay if they wish
[10:34:53] NQRott> but hpu is infiltration the ally
[10:36:53] NQRott> allianz kick and standingreset done to midnight
[10:37:10] NQRott> cynojammer remains in f-88 so you may comfortable get your stuff out
[10:41:42] Urga Urhuga> which statement do you mean because that?
[10:41:53] Urga Urhuga> caus'e i believe you can't talk English so well?
[10:44:14] NQRott> for example. denying requests of externals, behave stupid und talk to rainer or urga first
[10:44:15] Urga Urhuga> or ohmhagen thinks f-88 would be us?
[10:44:39] NQRott> for example #
[10:44:54] NQRott>, and now I no longer disctus about that
[10:45:03] Urga Urhuga> ohmhagen was yesterday the first time in 00. he's got no idea about on fountain and the alli yet
[10:45:29] NQRott> coprmails were yours urga
[10:46:11] Thor mentor> hm, what cappucino as written applies only hopefully mining
[10:46:18] Thor mentor> F-88
[10:46:19] NQRott> I have read and heard enough
[10:46:22] Urga Urhuga> hi thor.
[10:46:26] Urga Urhuga> rott kick us
[10:46:51] Thor mentor> hm ... What have we done wrong?
[10:46:51] NQRott> no allianz gives you the 12h to deduct
[10:46:56] Pralora> nja ... You wonder? ... by the bad things urga and rainer are doing...
[10:47:16] Thor mentor> what I have deducted?
[10:47:23] NQRott> you are not rainer
[10:47:35] Thor mentor> ^ (you and rainer)
[10:47:35] NQRott> just read the last 3 corpmails of urga
[10:47:50] Pralora> thor not you ... The urga
[10:48:04] NQRott> and the way hpu acts the last 1.5 weeks
[10:48:22] Thor mentor> hm, urga you link back to a post of the forum only by administrators that can be read
[10:48:29] Pralora> for any other member of hpu I find it a pity that you have to bear the konsequenzen because the ceo and his social tank are doing bad things
[10:48:58] NQRott> I must protect the ally, I will be in the 12hrs with all other ceos / direcotew talk, the one's i met did see it the same way
[10:49:07] NQRott> you that I can read all your corpmails and your whole board ?
[10:49:33] Urga Urhuga> no I was not aware.
[10:50:03] Thor mentor> what has Rainer actually done wrong?
[10:50:42] NQRott> thor there is not more to the concrete
[10:50:49] Urga Urhuga> i would like to know what i've done wrong, except say bad things to cappu?
[10:50:53] NQRott> it is about the stance of hpu to the allianz
[10:51:59] NQRott> try to undermine allianz authorities und abusing other alli-corps for their own needs
[10:52:15] NQRott> behaving dumb about needs of other corps, and generally rejecting support questions of other corps
[10:52:57] NQRott> only to look at hpu instead on the ally
[10:53:25] NQRott> rainers behaviour is like that, if whole hpu acts so, they are not ally-capable
[10:53:43] Thor mentor> hm, I was not really aware
[10:53:56] NQRott> should I continue with the convos your leaders had to the other ceos and directors?
[10:54:21] Thor mentor> yes, give mal ne summary
[10:55:06] NQRott> short brief: current allianz-leadership is shitty
[10:55:14] NQRott> hpu are good
[10:55:19] Pralora> jo, rainer bunkers over 6 billion on his wallet, which he earnt with hpu in 0.0, and lets the other hpu-member pay its liabilities ...
[10:55:22] NQRott> hpu get's only mobbed
[10:55:45] NQRott> rainer has made for himself 2mrd f-in 88
[10:56:38] Urga Urhuga> I think we were pretty mobbed. I that's why i asked dooms to help. as kind of bigger brother.
[10:56:52] Thor mentor> hm before i say anything to this, I must hear Rainer's side
[10:56:55] NQRott> hpu is pissed and displeased
[10:57:09] Pralora> you have tried to make trouble among the other corps. in a way that they stress each other.
[10:57:28] Urga Urhuga> I try to AVOID especially this
[10:57:31] NQRott> yes thats what other directors and ceo's told me
[10:57:36] NQRott> so everyone understood it this way
[10:57:44] NQRott> all have said, give hpu a chance
[10:57:55] NQRott> because your member are nice
[10:57:59] Urga Urhuga> without asking. nice.
[10:58:29] NQRott> no idea what urga or rainer did, or if it was only a sinlge person
[10:58:37] NQRott> that was the impression has arisen
[10:58:38] Urga Urhuga> what mail from me was so bad?
[10:58:45] NQRott> on the behavior and the internal memeos of you
[10:59:09] NQRott> your members may want to distribute to other corps sof\
[10:59:16] NQRott> in 12hrs you left fa

[10:29:36] NQRott> the testimony of distrust, try to deceive the alianz, and abuse other corps for hpu

We were massively under pressure in the last weeks from Cappu Rott and Space Raider, mobbed and insulted. With these three people, we have a problem. We have never concealed. All measures taken were served for purpose of giving low contact surface to those 3 people.

We have great Symphatien for the Corps and the Soul of Fountain ally and think it would be a great pity if we do not work together and play any more. We are fighting so that cooperation can continue.


[10:44:14] NQRott> for example. Denying requests of externals, behave and talk to stupid or urga first rainer


The Mail is explicitly about to Rott Cappu and Space Raider, and not the alliance in general. The cooperation with Soul of Fountain work is excellent and very fruitful.

10:51:59] NQRott> try to undermine allianz authorities and abusing other alli-corps for their own needs
[10:52:15] NQRott> dumb about behaving needs of other corps, and generally rejecting support of other questions corps
[10:52:57] NQRott> only to look at hpu instead on the ally
[10:53:25] NQRott> rainers behaviour is like that, if it acts hpu whole, they are not capable ally -


We have tried again and again to eliminate problems. We have put in diplomats and openly and honestly explained the situation. We had to recognize that we have no problems with the alliance, but with just 3 people. Rott, Cappu and Space Raider.
We welcome the election of Syntek to the alliance leader and are still prepared to be open and honest about cooperation in the framework of the alliance.

[10:53:56] NQRott> should I continue with the convos your leaders had to the other ceos and directors?
[10:55:06] NQRott> short brief: allianz-current leadership is shitty

We are unpleased with rott as alliance leaders in combination with Cappu and Space Raider. The reasons we explained. We have never concealed about this.


[10:55:19] Pralora> jo, rainer bunkers over 6 billion on his wallet, which he earnt with hpu in 0.0, and lets the other hpu-member pay its liabilities ...
[10:55:22] NQRott> hpu's only get mobbed
[10:55:45] NQRott> rainer has made for himself 2mrd f-in the 88

Who is concernd about how much one earns by ratting, mining or production? It is, in my view, no attack to the alliance to earn money in Eve.

10:57:09] Pralora> you have tried to make trouble among the other corps. In a way that they stress each other.
[10:57:28] Urga Urhuga> I try to AVOID especially this
[10:57:31] NQRott> yes thats what other directors and ceo's told me
[10:57:36] NQRott> so everyone understood it this way

We have not tried to agitate anyone. We are at a distance to Rott, Cappu and Space Raider. This is no secret and has good reasons.


[10:59:09] NQRott> your members may want to distribute to other corps sof

this as example is a major reason for our distrust. Rott. Cappu and Space Raider tried massively to argue against me as CEO to my members, trying to make them kick me as CEO. Since they failed doing so, they try to take over our members, and then kick hpu. Already in the past we were often threatened like this leading to some caution by us.


[10:59:16] NQRott> in 12hrs you left fa

This deadline is much too short and completely unrealistic.


After the last round of negotiations, our diplomat MasterCom1 recommended us to stay at some in order to avoid further escalation. This we have done.